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Talking to Frederick Forsyth

has never been a spy, but you know in depth the gears of power. Obama Chavez, Qaddafi ... when Forsyth talks, many tremble.

Despite the truculence of his plots, Forsyth is a man with a sense of humor. Very black, though. Obama can flay and then joke about the Egyptian general, the impunity of U.S. special forces in Afghanistan and the dangers of dealing with smugglers.

A nervous laugh punctuates many of his sentences, as if to remove iron rough affairs. The truth is that after his novels, populated by ruthless characters (the last, Cobra) shows close and friendly, willing to talk.

Forsyth is a British Conservative Eurosceptic, defender of the monarchy and the political incorrectness and father of two who lives far away with his second wife on a farm. He writes and cares for their animals when they travel, research, met with undercover agents or diving or fishing in tropical waters.

Question. How much money makes cocaine?
Frederick Forsyth.
More or less, ten million euros per tonne . No other product provides many benefits. A kilo of "pure Colombian 'costs $ 4000, and in Europe or the U.S. the kilo, cut, can exceed $ 70,000. They add all kinds of crap, flour, talcum powder, sugar, procaine, amphetamines ...-. If pure coke sniffin, you can die of overdose, if you sniffin cut, poisoned. A bad deal for both.

Question. How many kilos move the drug dealers around the world? FF

About 300 tonnes arriving in Europe and many other North America. You may reach the thousands. For every ton without cutting out six or seven tons of finished goods.

Question. Cobra is fiction, but could be interpreted as his proposal to end the cocaine trade? FF

A proposed mine not because, speaking with the staff of SOCA and the DEA (U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency and the United Kingdom, respectively), I discovered that you know how. I base my story on what they told me.

Question. Well, count, count ... FF

Officials estimate that is intercepted by 15 percent of total traffic. For the posters, nothing. If interceptors to 80 percent, the market burst, there would be sufficient supply and unleash a brutal war between mafias and gangs for control of such a small cake. From the police point of view, would not be frowned upon: "Let them kill each other!". But for U.S. president would be unbearable. The ordinary citizen does not find a corpse in the courtyard of the school for their children or slaughter while attending a dinner at your favorite restaurant. What would a president? Let him annihilate the risk of losing the election? Nothing is more catastrophic for a politician to lose the next election.

Question. "The drug agency then considered impossible to solve the business? FF

Impossible, yes, there is hardly a U.S. president you get that far. When I started the book, I spoke with Thomas M. Harrigan, head of DEA operations, and asked: "Are you winning?" The answer was an unequivocal `no '. It is an impossible fight. The figures are astronomical moves cocaine. There's nothing like, or heroin, drugs synthetic marijuana ... have the best aircraft, equipment and advanced technology, the best professionals and lawyers, bought judges, politicians, police chiefs, generals and officers of customs in any country . Mules can be sent one after another, for $ 5000 many people are willing to swallow a ball of cocaine and risk that burst in the stomach or be arrested. For bosses no problem.

Question. In Cobra, a secret task force sinks the ships of the narcos in the ocean and shoot down their planes. We do not allow any legislation ... FF

not kill the crew, the stop is take her to a military base and sink ships. As for the planes, there are countries like Brazil and Colombia, whose laws allow abate aircraft, without warning, if you think moving cocaine.

Question. Do you propose to generalize laws allowing abductions and killings in some cases? FF

Adolf Hitler never did anything illegal , was enough to pass laws that allowed murder six million Jews. Now consider enough terrorists to drug dealers. Today, U.S. Special Forces rarely taken as prisoners of Al Qaeda members, kill them directly. And even give them a medal. Take refuge in the Patriot Act, passed after the 11-S. The law is chilling, can do whatever they want, almost without limits. If you enter Anthrax in the U.S., are licensed to kill. Cocaine hydrochloride is also a white powder, no more than climb up the category and become threats to national security.

Question. Anti-terrorism laws passed after the 11-S are for many a brutal abuse of human rights ... FF

So this world, the drug traffickers and terrorists violate the law, but to be arrested are the first to invoke it. This obsession with human rights favors many criminals. That's hard to beat the game to the drug.

Question. Any politician has called him after reading his novel interested in ideas for how are you? FF

No. I've had, yes, messages from members of the security forces who have felt identified: "Well, there's going to hurt!" They say.

Question. You mean politicians or drug lords? FF

Politicians.

Question. Combat drug trafficking is not, he says, a priority for Western leaders
FF
No. There should be a demand as there is for combating terrorism. From Iraq, the message they send Americans to their leaders is: "We embark on more wars. We are not able to win we started."

Question. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan affect resources for this fight, I guess ... FF

Sure, there are too many fronts. Obama came to the White House full of promise, but has not done anything. The reality is a five-ton truck with faulty brakes. Iran, Palestine, Iraq become a failed state, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya and others ... Obama said he would achieve peace in the Middle East. Excuse me?, What's going to get what? They take 60 years trying and in four years you're going to solve everything! Peace is further away. His foreign policy is a failure, has no influence.

Question. Where have you been doing research for his novel? FF

In Italy, Spain, Washington, Bogota ...

Question. What governments benefit from this traffic? FF

The Hugo Chavez, for example. Through the border with Venezuela is moving massive amounts of cocaine. Uribe was the first president who really fought the Colombian cartels, with U.S. help, of course. Aid to Colombia was enormous. Uribe granted permission to fly spy planes and posters moved their laboratories to Ecuador and Venezuela. Chavez is mouth filling criticizing the lack of morality of capitalism and the U.S., but it is not just a big hypocrite. It is up to his neck in the drug business. Has ruined the U.S. economy, needs money and the signs will pay in exchange for keeping their labs on Venezuelan soil.

Question. Where do you get information like this? FF

Contacts. Some of my 12 years as a journalist. In the case of Cobra talked with drug agencies and police from Bogota to Milan and Hamburg, passing through West Africa. The contact list grows over the years. I pick up the phone: "How's it going, Charlie?" I know you're retired, but (almost all my sources are military officers or retired) who I can address this issue? ". A little guy called me from Charly. We call it 'old boys network' (network of alumni).

Question. Where do drugs go to Europe?

FF, 80 percent, Calabria, southern Italy , as more and more for Africa comes from hand of the 'Ndrangheta. In Italy there are four mafia organizations. La Cosa Nostra, Sicily, the Camorra, Naples, the Santa Corona Unita, based in Bari, very involved in human trafficking, and the most secret and bloody, the 'Ndrangheta. Its members are all Calabria and not talk to anyone outside their circle. Control all Calabria and from Milan, where three suburbs Calabrese, run almost all the European business of coca.

Question. Did you get to infiltrate an organization? FF

life is worth little in some places and more with a face like this. If Colombians had known what he was, I would have paid. The most dangerous journey was to Guinea Bissau, a failed state key point of the African routes. I posed by bird watchers. When the customs officer asked me the reason for my visit, I said: "Watching the birds." "Another crazy Europe, must have thought. The African police ....

Question. Speaking of covers, the hero of Cobra creates an NGO for the purpose. Is this common in espionage? FF

course, is a perfect cover. People come and go, gives you access to high areas and slums, no one suspected of a humanitarian NGO.

Question. To prepare "Dogs of war" pretended to organize a coup to contact arms dealers ... FF

So, I pretended to be South African. Mercenaries valued at $ 240,000 hit (the novel is 1974), who thought it was really planned. Believe me, I removed the dealers want to deal with forever. One, from his limousine, he saw my picture in a Hamburg bookshop promoting Jackal, my first novel, recently published in Germany and were not amused. I was told, left half-dressed and caught a train to Amsterdam.


Question. This time, I think, has caught a real coup ... FF

I was trapped in Guinea Bissau last year, I was not expressly for the hit, I swear I had nothing to do. Landed and shut the borders. One day I had lunch with the coroner who examined the corpse of President João Bernardo Vieira. Apparently, his house attacked with grenades, he dropped the building over, wounded, slipped through the rubble, he was shot, however, had just died. They took him home to his mother and sliced \u200b\u200bthem with a machete.

Question. With all scrubbed in which it has got, have you ever feared for his life? FF

A few of my real people were not amused appear in a novel. The Nazis, for example, did not know who he was until it was far away.

Question. Does infiltrated the Nazi organization of the novel Odessa (1972), as the protagonist? FF

Odessa met ex-combatants, but I was too young to be one of them. I spoke with nazi organizations, but did not know who he was until I left Germany.

Question. Have you crossed paths with many psychopathic murderers? Some FF

another. It is best to run away. Africa is more likely where you are to die for no reason. You come across a drunk or drugged soldier who does not like you and goodbye!

Question. In his previous novel, "The Afghan ," wrote the Internet as a propaganda tool for terrorists. Do not feel much affection for the Web .. FF

Half of the Islamic terrorists are recruited there. Not to mention child pornography, bomb-making manuals, murder, maul ... 50 percent of the network is harmful to the human condition.

Question. His role in the movement for change that the world is Arabic, do not you deserve some credit? FF

certainly for dictatorships Internet is a problem. Each time is more complex to do what Hitler, which quashed all dissent. There were only radio, television and official newspapers. Today, it is impossible. Increasingly requires more effort to be a dictator.

Question. Do you mean by Gaddafi? FF

And everyone else. Look, for 40 years knew that Gaddafi was a monstrous murderer and that did not stop our leaders go to Tripoli to embrace and fatten their accounts. Now, like them, I also look to Libya terrified by its treatment of its people, but my problem is I have good memories and I think all that the West has supported tyrants: Idi Amin, Mugabe, Saddam. ..

Question. Does attack on Libya in Iraq makes you think? FF

There are parallels. 38 years ago we could have got rid of Qaddafi. British intelligence set up a plot, uniting the tribes of Libya, most opposed to it. I discovered this in 1973 (Gaddafi had spent four years in power), while investigating arms trafficking, but the government backed down saying: "what next?". Later, Gaddafi funding, arming and training terrorists, many looked at that time sorry. Imagine now.

Question. Do you think there will be democracy in North Africa? FF

are companies controlled by the hosts. The Egyptian For example, rules from the revolution of Nasser and the Free Officers Movement (1952). All that has changed is that Mubarak, a general, has gone and promised reforms. Think that such a tradition will create a democracy in a few months? Let me skepticism.

Question. And the West, what paint in all this? FF

For the West, the good news is that the military will not allow the Muslim Brotherhood to power. The generals are secular, drink, smoke, sleep with all sorts of women, are corrupt and are the owners of companies. They promise a lot, but to be seen. Fernando Goitia

talking to Frederick Forsyth